Atma Jnana

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  1. garry420

    garry420 Well-Known Member

    SOME POINTERS for people who are about to traverse the spiritual path: Here are some errors in understanding I come across routinely, in new 'atma gyani aspirants'; so addressing a few of them briefly.

    1) The Self Cannot be Experienced: The human mind is designed to gooutwards (or even inwards) to gain experience. That is good, it allows usto innovate and progress in our worldly lives. However, when it comes togaining AtmA gyAnam, the mind again looks for experience of an objectcalled AtmA. This will fail miserably. AtmA is the very Self, the Subject.Only an object endowed with attributes can be experienced. Theconsciousness, which is the Self, cannot be known as an object ofexperience. The Self can only be understood through the process ofacquiring gyAnam through the timeless veda vAkyas. Tat tvam asi is theteaching of the Guru, aham brahman asmi is the understanding of the studentsmile emoticon

    2) Internet knowledge- Swami Google-Ananda and Brahmacharini Wikipediaare not reliable teachers of Vedic knowledge. Please do not use searchengines to learn scriptures, they will only add to the confusion.

    3) Finding a Guru- There is no substitute for a living teacher. If aperson was not your Guru WHILE he was alive, after his passing away youcannot consider him your teacher. A guru is supposed to remove yourignorance in an interactive way. Those who are no longer with us simplycannot help us with our doubts. Also be careful, too many cooks spoil the broth. This is to be avoided atall costs, please stick to one parampara if it is clarity that you wish tohavesmile emoticonhaving a teacher from all possible faiths is not going to helpbetter understand shAstra.

    4) Mala Japa is NOT a Substitute for Knowledge to Gain Moksha- Manyfalsely believe only chanting a particular mantra is the fastest way tomoksha. This is as far from the truth as it can get. Bhakti (devotion)leads to gyanam (knowledge), and self knowledge alone is liberation.Krishna Bhagwan is crystal clear about this, it is unfortunate that peoplemisinterpret his teachings. Gita Ch 4, verse 38 says 'there is nothing morepurifying than knowledge'. Gaining AtmA gyAnam (self knowledge) from aqualified teacher who can handle shAstra (scripture) as a pramAnam(means ofknowledge) is the only way to go

    5) Shraddha Makes Life Easy... Very Easy- Swamiji says debate only generates heat, and no light. Either we argue or we learn. Humility is thekey to opening the doors to knowledge, if one approaches the scriptureswith a challenging attitude, the Vedas will always elude such a person.Sincere seeker-ship is always rewarded. shraddhA is faith in one'sdev-guru-shAstra (god, guru, scripture).

    6) Tradition - Respect your Vedic culture. Culture is the medium through which knowledge is propagated. You cannot separate knowledge from traditional practices. If one dies, the other will not last very long.Vedic culture and religion go hand in hand and are inseparable. Both need your support.

    7) Purpose of Meditation- Entering into meditation will *NOT*enlighten a person. Meditation can be divided into four types. a) Relaxation b) Concentration c) Expansion d) Value assimilation. Relaxation does just what it says. Concentration hones your ability tofocus on a vastu (thing) for longer uninterrupted periods. Expansion iswhere your cognition reaches out to incorporate a viswa rUpa of thisjagat/ishvara, wherein you try to visualize yourself from the smallestparticle, to the farthest reaches of space and time, where nothing in theuniverse is separate from you. Value based meditation is where you bringabout a transformation in thoughts. Meditation before gaining knowledge is a good conditioning program toprepare your mind for knowledge, also called upAsana yoga.Meditation after studying scriptures is a program to help assimilateknowledge, also known as nidhidhyAsanan,Of course to gain jeevan-mukti/moksha, shAstric gyAnam is indispensable.

    8) There Aren't *MANY* Gods- So many needless Vishnu vs Shiva fights. They are manifestations of the same ishvara, presented to you in whicheverform you prefersmile emoticonSame goes with other representations such as Ganesha,Matajis etc.The whole purpose of this diversity is to appreciate ishvara'screation, not create divisions within ishvara..Every form is a form ofishvara alone. This is the beauty of advaitam which so few understand andappreciate. To be clear, there is only one ishvara.

    9) Vedanta is a Means of Knowledge- Upanishads stand as a consistent part of the Vedas, there are no contradictions. The former half of theVedas treat you as a doer, prescribing necessary actions/karmas that youcan perform in the form of rituals, prayers, duties etc, the latter halfreveals the nature of the very inquirer.

    10) Different Religions do *NOT* Lead to The Same Goal- All religions are not the same. Often I read posts like. Church = Temple = Mosque = 6letters. Bible = Quran = Geeta = 5 letters, so all religions teach the samething. While I can appreciate the intention, it is just a dishonest pseudosecular way to look at things. The goal of most other religions is a temporary heaven. Logic says that a limited action cannot earn a permanent result. Limited actions on earth canonly buy you limited stay in heaven, the concept of eternal heaven and hell are logically faulty. The goal of a Vaidika is moksha, and that is absolute freedom from alllimitations- bodily or otherwise. As Swamiji says, when you are in heaven,you still may have to struggle to get a "front seat" to see your favoriteGod! So let us accept that all religions are different, and let usaccommodate the differences without badmouthing them, and focus on our own:)

    11) Different Yogas do *NOT* Give the Same Result- Karma yoga, GyanYoga, Bhakti Yoga and Dhyana Yoga are not different ways to achieve the same end. Karma yoga and dhyana yoga (or more precisely, Upasana yoga) are preparatory steps to achieve Gyanam. Bhakti is the attitude with whichwe conduct all our activities, ultimately it boils down to moksha throughjnAna yoga alone. jnAnam is equivalent to moksha.

    12) AtmA is *NOT* a Part/Product/Property of Brahman- AtmA is brahman,that's allsmile emoticon

    13) AtmA Does *NOT* Take Rebirth - AtmA is often mistaken to be the sukshma sharira (subtle body- the mind). It is the subtle body that goes from birth to birth, inhabiting one physical body after another.

    14) There is Only ONE AtmA- The AtmA is an all pervading entity, and there is only one AtmA. Rather, there is ONLY AtmA/brahman, and this world ofnames and forms is a manifestation. When one dreams, a single individualcreates an entire universe of forms within his own mind, and then entersthat very dream to experience it, and now the dream that was within theindividual suddenly appears to be a real world outside of the individual.

    by - Usha Swarup
  2. Nramlee

    Nramlee New Member

    I love God right now

    I will always love God
    I will always have gods grace in my life
  3. Nramlee

    Nramlee New Member

    I have faith that God will always bring good things into my life

    I love you

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