Jiva, Atma and Parmamatma

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  1. garry420

    garry420 Well-Known Member


    Our body is made out of 5 + 3 + 1 element.
    5 material elements
    Sky - sound
    Air - sound, touch
    Fire - sound, touch, form
    Water - sound, touch, form, taste
    Earth - sound, touch, form, taste, smell (Shrimad Bhagwatam)

    The other 3 subtle elements are
    -Ego, Mind, Intelligence

    Finner than Earth is water, finer than water is fire, finer than fire is air, finer than air is sky & finer than sky is Ego, mind is finner than ego & intelligence is finner than Mind. The finner the element the most powerful they are.

    Mind is finner & it takes just seconds to reach from 1 planet to another, but we cant see mind nor intelligence just can feel its power this is named as Subtle mind or JIVA-ATMA.

    The finest element is The SOUL & the most powerful. Which comes from the ocean of Super soul The supreme Paramatma. The controller of all elements. Soul is measured by cutting the tip of our hair in 10,000 pieces & out of that one piece should once again be cut in more 10,000 pieces & one part of it, is The SOUL. Minute but the most powerful.

    What is Atma & what is Jiva atma?
    Atma/soul changes body but soul is Sachidanada/always happy. Soul never gets polluted, angry, die, worry, grow etc, the revenge, anger, hate, love, cheat etc is done by JIVA ATMA.

    -When The person changes body & takes a new body he got these qualities of Robbing, hating someone without a reason, loving someone without a reason , few talents etc are all carried from the previous lives.
    For example: We never met a person but we start loving/caring that person is only because that person loved us in our previous births which we do not remember but our JIVA ATMA does.

    Soul - Never takes revenge & is always happy, never pollutes nor dies, Soul is part & parcel of the Supersoul God

    Jivaatma - Remembers past lives good & Bad deeds both & makes our material body work accordingly.

    vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naro 'parani
    tatha sarirani vihaya jirnany anyani samyati navani dehi BG 2.22

    As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

    ||HaRe KriShnA||

    VIA: DHaval
  2. Jiva Atma:

    Atma, an eternal spirit soul is the spark of God; the Supreme Person. Every particle or the spark of the God is a living, aware, active, purposeful self or person. It can’t be divided or crushed. There is no end to the existence of the Atma.

    The self or spirit soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, not burned by fire, nor moistened by water, not withered by the wind.—Bhagavad Gita 2:23

    The individual self is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. –Bhagavad Gita 2:24

    The body dies, but the self; the Spirit soul does not die. The body is temporary; Atma is eternal.

    Know that which pervades the entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the imperishable self. Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable, and eternal living entity is subject to destruction. –Bhagavad Gita 2:17-18

    For the self there is never birth nor death. Nor does the self ever cease to exist. The self or the spirit soul is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying, and primeval. The self is not slain when the body is slain. –Bhagavad Gita 2:20

    The existence of the Atma does not depend on the existence of the body; even after the death of your body, the Atma; the self continues to exist.

    The body is like a machine or vehicle. Just as you leave behind a vehicle when it becomes too old or useless, so you, the spirit soul, leave behind the gross material body when it becomes useless.


    Paramatma is the Supersoul or the Lord in the Heart.

    This is a partial expansion of Bhagavan (the Supreme Person) who can, by His inconceivable potency, be present in innumerable places at one time. Paramatma is always with us as our dear friend and well-wisher.

    The Paramatma is always speaking transcendental knowledge to us from within as we go about our business in this material world. Our ability to hear this knowledge simply depends on our desire to listen. Our desire to listen depends on our sincerity in wanting to know The Absolute Truth.

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