No discrimination in Hinduism & First management system

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  1. Hindu

    Hindu Member Staff Member

    Hindu History is prime example of the fact that discrimination based on castes never existed in Hinduism Here are two examples to prove my point

    1) Vidura- was Son of a maid servant often called as Dasi Putra in Mahabharata . Vidura studied Vedas & became Prime Minister of Hastinapur. Bhagwan shree Krishna used to eat with him in same plate and pitamah bhisma called him the wisest man on earth.

    2) Karan was always thought to be a soot putra (sudra jaate) yet he became friend of duryodhana and enjoyed luxuary of palace due to his kshatriya varna (worrier traits). he ate with duryodhna in same plate without facing any discrimination.

    There is no casteism in Hinduism which means there is no discrimination either. All humans are equal by birth and has equal right to study Vedas.

    Jaate and Varna are part of Hinduism and that too without discrimination.

    There are approximately 3000 jatis in Hindu society that happens to come to child with their birth. and varna refers to the four different sects of the society which have specific responsibility towards the society

    Varna basically means "colour" or "veil".. It refers to the distinct traits and qualities i.e.guna that each person possess based on their quality heart and mind .

    There are four qualities that human beings possess and they are -

    1)white =sattva = truthful

    Refers to love, purity, faith & detachment (qualities)

    This colour belongs to person with spiritual blend and seek true knowledge , these people basically belongs to Brahmin class.

    They hold spiritual & intellectual values & they are in charge of teaching the Vedic Sanskrit and is made up of his head.

    2)red= rajas = energetic

    The colour represents traits that shows aggressive nature and high energy.

    The people associated with this seek power , status & honour these people posses martial and political mindset

    warriors that protect the nation and are hence made up of his arms.

    3)yellow= rajas

    (communication, trade, interchange, and business)

    People with this colour and is in those who have commercial mindset. They are part of Vaishya class.

    These are the merchants and farmers in the production nature & hence made up of his belly.

    4)black= tamas = inert, solid

    ignorance, dullness and inertia

    Depend on rest of the world for motivation & seek nothing. They make Shudra class.

    The Shudras are the labourers who perform menial chores & Hence are made up of his legs.

    Lets now study why is Jaate and Varna system important.

    Vedic system is First management system

    First management system that existed on earth was set up by jaate and varna system.

    Vedic system unveils Divine Self that is hidden in human beings.

    Like every new trainee starts as junior and learns from his senior to fit into his plate likewise even in Hinduism a child is born as trainee(shudra) ...and his deeds decide which place he will be working on for betterment of society.

    Just Like a Manager gives opportunity to the best person suited for the job, Hinduism also gives varna as per his deeds and interest to do the job and his deeds decide in what field of work his is best suited to work for.

    Management in Hinduism is divided into 4 parts

    kshatriya (The Man best suited for war and Fights i.e. warrior, landowners)

    shudra (Man best suited for serving society i.e. artians and agriculturalists)

    Brahmin (Man best suited for making strategies and rules for betterment of society . i.e. priests)

    Vaishya (The man best suited for buisness class i.e merchants)


    Each one has unique role to run the society.
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  2. Enigma

    Enigma New Member

    What is my Jaati?

    The moment one hears this word,something negative is poured into mind,the word Jaati is a positive word,it has a positive meaning,but the meaning is coined now,twisted then finally per demand.

    Word Jaati.....Smjaati....are the most corrupted words,the most misused one too.

    One part of it(jaati) based on the idea of individuality and then connects it to its nearest branch of society which is necessary for the existence of individuality.One the other side sometime used to differentiate then discriminate the one group from the other group,resulting conflicts & oppressions......the root of conflict is not Jaati....but the root is individuality.

    Is you still did not get then in simple terms Jaati means Family.Jaati is the a fundamental unit of society.Sequence is like this

    Individuality>Nuclear Family>Jaati>Society>State>Nation

    Now if one says i have no jaati,then it means he is abolishing the idea of family,he is lying!!...He who says has no jaati is abolishing the idea of individuality,is a liar or he doest know what is he saying because it is impossible to abolish the idea of individuality as far as the Mind is working...
  3. Hindu Girl

    Hindu Girl New Member

    The Casteists! have always targeted Hinduism just to spread hate among people to divide Hindus. rather than pointing fingers at Hinduism, anti Hindus should concentrate of learning Hinduism.

    There have been missionary work going on by various visual media, print media to break faith of Hinduism . question that often pop's up in mind of every Hindu .why would any media target any religion ? what good will they get in return of defaming anyone's religion ? so here is my research work: Indian media and sub-continent media is basically controlled by churches and missionaries. and when media is guided to defame Hinduism they do their job. Where are you? He was Shudra, no? Only Brahmins can study Vedas? Now keep this nonsense to yourself.

    Hinduism is the Fastest Growing religion in the world.
    Hinduism is fastest growing religion in united states as per the report submitted by CIA to president. Strangely Hinduism is only religion on earth that doesn't promote conversion by any means. There are hundreds of Hindu organizations around the world that is working for the betterment of the society . BUT NOT with the greedof converting non Hindus to Hinduism (like Christian missionaries often do). with the help of these organizations the light of Hinduism is hitting the all corners of darkness around the globe starting from America to Europe, Australia, Africa and Asia.

    America alone have more that 20 lakh Hindu population which is growing day by day. There are many countries now with Hindu population touching 1% mark around the globe. Hindu mascot of peace Hindus have always been peace centric people who have never attacked anyone in the history. World have seen long sting of brutality and now Hinduism is coming as heeling medicine to world. Even the world most deadliest terrorists are being taught essence of Hinduism by giving them spiritual lectures, to convince them, to transform them into a better human. Hinduism have long history of creating saints those are globally recognized and accepted for their peace mission.
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  4. garry420

    garry420 Well-Known Member

    Often Hinduism is presented as a construct of upper-caste Brahmins in our academic and popular discourse whereas nothing can be far from truth. Hinduism in its construct and popular practice remains a spiritual-system of the masses and people now called Dalits/Shudras have been the prominent upholder and proponents of the Dharma. Veda Vyas himself was son of a fisherwoman and Rishi Parashar. It is Veda Vyas who systematised the four Vedas, wrote Mahabharat, which contains one of the holiest texts of Hindus – Gita. Besides these, 18 Puranas and Brahma Sutras are also attributed to him. It will be no exaggeration to say that Veda Vyas is the strongest pillar of the classical Hinduism. Rishi Valmiki, a Dalit saint, wrote Ramayana, the text which captured the imagination of people not only in India but around the world. Not only him but Kamban who wrote Kamban Ramayana in Tamil was also a Shudra. And without Ramayana and Ram Bhakti, there can be no conception of Hinduism. Rishi Matang was the son a Shudra mother with a Vaishya father. He is one the highly revered figure in Hinduism who was visited by Ram and Sita. His ashram was a refugee of the unfortunate and hopeless. Son of Veda Vyas and a shudra maid, Vidur, was a authority on Dharma whose teachings on Niti & Dharma are preserved in Viduraprajāgara in Mahabharat. In Mahabharata itself, Dharmaraj Yudhistir would often visit Sage Kapinjalada, who was born a Chandala, for guidance. Thiruvalluvar , Tamil poet-saint, who wrote Thiru-Kural was a lower caste weaver.

    Hindu history is full of saints belonging to the lower strata of the society and it was by them that the vitality of Hinduism was restored from time to time. Bhakti movement is an important case in the point. Bhakti movement was a popular reaction against the dry logic of atheists and Buddhists, which began in the South India. It was also the result of the discontent against social and caste hierarchies and later as a defence mechanism against forces of Islamic Imperialism. Bhakti movement threw up several Dalit saints whose contribution to the enrichment and shaping of Hinduism is immense. Saint Chokhamela, a Mahar,is a prominent 14th century figure in Marathi bhakti movement. He was the disciple of Sant Namdeo, himself a Shudra, and an ardent devotee of Vitthala. He wrote several famous Abhangas which are devotional poetry dedicated to the Vitthala. Kanhopatra was a female devotee of Vitthla. She was born in a brothel and was a courtesan & dancing girl before devoting herself to the worship of Vitthala. Like Chokhamela, she too belonged to the Varkari sect of Hinduism. She is the only women-saint of Varkari sect who is not associated with any male-figure and had no guru or belonged to any parampara. She attained sainthood purely on the basis of her devotion. Her abhangas are popular even today and the devotees worship the tree at her Samadhi in Pandharpur. Sant Nirmala was a Dalit Hindu women saint who was the sister of Chokhamela. She was entirely devoted to the Vitthala and wrote devotional poetry, which describes injustice of the prevalent social system. Her husband Sant Banka is a renowned figure in Hinduism whose poetry praises Vitthala in happiness and peace. Sant Soyarabai was wife of the Chokhamela and an important Bhakti saint. She produced a large devotional literature although only few of is survives today. Her poetry exudes intense devotion and advocacy of social reforms. Sant Janabai, in 13th century, was a Dalit Hindu woman Saint who is placed among most renowned saints of Vrakari sect like Dnyāneshwar, Tukaram etc. She is famous for her high-quality abhangas and almost 300 abhangas are attributed to her.

    In 12th century, a remarkable socio-religious movement emerged in Karnataka in the form of Sharana movement, which challenged social hierarchy and advocated utmost devotion to Shiva. It produced a whole literally tradition known as Vachana Sahitya, which spans several centuries. Vachana is a form of Kannada devotional poetry, which narrates personal spiritual experiences. The movement emerged from the below with Madara Chennaiah considered to be founder of the Vachana Sahitya. Like him most of the poets of came form castes lower in social hierarchy like Revanasiddha (a shepherd), Marulasiddha (an untouchable), Madivala Machideva (a washerman), Madara Dhoolaiah (a cobbler), Medara Ketaiah (a basket-maker) etc. They expressed their devotion by deploying the imagery of their trade & profession which were often considered to be inferior or impure like leather making etc. The movement transformed the social and spiritual landscaper of the Kannada society. Later, its legacy was carried forward by the Virashaiva Shaivaite denomination founded by Basava in the 12th century.

    The story of Manteswamy is immortalised in the popular oral Kannada epic Manteswamy Kavya. It talks about spiritual victory of a lowly person over those socially superior to him but insincere in their devotion. The epic is episodic and highly symbolic. Each episode represents a stage in evolution of civilisation and how ultimately technology has to be liberated from its hereditary practitioners i.e. caste system for the further progress of mankind. Another Kannada oral epic Male Madeshvara gives account of Madeshvara, a tribal hero who is considered to be an avatar of Shiva. Epic narrates the plight and struggle of the underprivileged for social upliftment and creation of an egalitarian society. It records how hill tribes of southern Karnataka were brought into the fold of the Hindu Dharma. The people coming from these families today are the hereditary ‘Archaks’ of the Mahadeshwara temple.

    Guru Ghasi Das (1756–1850CE) was born in low-caste family in Raipur, Chattisgarh.dalit saints pic He preached Satnami sect of Hinduism to the masses and established Satnami communities in Chattisgarh. His work resulted in social and religious upliftment of the several Dalit & outcaste communities in the state. In 18th century, Balarama Hadi, founded the Balahadi/Balarami sect in Nadia region of Bengal. He belonged to the Hadi (scavenger) caste. In his lifetime itself, he was considered as an avatar of Ram. Dharma he preached was for the householders and gained tremendous following among Dalit communities like Hadi, Dom, Bagdi, Muchi, Bede, Namashudra and even among Muslims. It rejected castes or any other social hierarchy and advocated path of devotion and ascetic to attain liberation. In 19th century, Sri Sri Harichand Thakur founded the Matua-Mahasangha, which is a reformative Hindu movement popular among the outcaste Namshudra community of Bengal. He is considered to be an avatar of Krishna. The movement rejected social hierarchy and advocated simple devotion and social harmony.

    It can be noticed that major feature of the teachings of these saints is creation of an egalitarian society, sagun bhakti & devotion to a personal benevolent deity and living a moral and ethical life. They are also rooted into the daily life of the people and have been the strength of the popular Hinduism over ages to reinvigorating it from time to time.

    -Abhinav Prakash
    Research Scholar, School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
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  5. ajay00

    ajay00 Member

    Outstanding thread with good scholarly posts. Indeed the caste system has no basis in the Shrutis and Vedas and was a creation of later times. And this is the reason why the Arya Samaj, which bases its policies firmly on the Vedas , and not that of later traditions, have condemned the caste system, proclaimed the equality of all human beings, and opened the doors to all for the study of the Vedas.

    Rig Veda mantra 10-13-1 addresses the entire humanity as my divine children. Shrunvantu vishve amrutsya putraha

    Mantra 5-60-5 in Rig Veda, the divine poet declares, “All men are brothers; no one is big, no one is small. All are equal.”

    Mantra 16.15 in Yajur Veda reiterates that all men are brothers; no one is superior or inferior.

    Paramahamsa Yogananda too opposed the caste system which had no basis in the vedas....

    Yogananda said:

    "These were (originally) symbolic designations of the stages of spiritual refinement. They were not intended as social categories. And they were not intended to be hereditary. Things changed as the yugas [cycles of time] descended toward mental darkness. People in the higher castes wanted to make sure their children were accepted as members of their own caste. Thus, ego-identification caused them to freeze the ancient classifications into what is called the ‘caste system.’ Such was not the original intention. In obvious fact, however, the offspring of a Brahmin may be a Sudra by nature. And a peasant, sometimes, is a real saint.”- Conversations with Yogananda, Crystal Clarity Publishers, 2003.
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