The Beast Revelation

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Do you agree with this prophecy?

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  1. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    The Beast Revelation

    This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

    The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

    The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

    This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

    Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

    Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.


  2. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    The Beast Revelation part two

    Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

    Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
    It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

    In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

    Now, concerning the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

    Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".
    Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

    Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

    The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similitude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistent with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

    May God bless all who read this letter.

  3. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    why does Jesus discriminate against not Christians ?
    why heaven is only reserved for Christians ?
  4. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    If you were God, why would you let anyone into heaven who did not worship you? The other place is for all of those who choose to worship something else. Whatever God that is must provide a place for you. Since those Gods have never created anything, you get nothing. In other words, there is only one God. You call it discrimination. I think it's discrimination against God to want to worship anything, but God...
  5. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    If you were God, why would you let anyone into heaven who did not worship you?
    If i would be god i would be so egoistic that i would reserve the place for only those who worshiped me, I would never choose a person who prays me but doesn't give damn to my creation and doesn't do any good to society and rather i would choose an atheist who goes other way

    The other place is for all of those who choose to worship something else. Whatever God that is must provide a place for you. Since those Gods have never created anything, you get nothing.
    You seem to be blinded man with no common sense of your own

    In other words, there is only one God.
    where did i say there are many ?

    You call it discrimination. I think it's discrimination against God to want to worship anything, but God.

    Man, see your ignorance. it is of highest level, even a fool wouldn't agree to ur comments
  6. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

  7. Amit

    Amit New Member

    You cannot teach a parrot to speak by thinking on their own.
    Missionaries are parrotic version of bible hence to think that they will think on their own is ignorance, brother
  8. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    If you got married, could your wife do anything she wanted, or would there be rules? If she broke those rules, would you still allow her to live with you?
    I would divorce her, then she can do as she wished. The consequences are hers, whatever they may be...
    If you choose to live by God's rules, you are a son or a daughter of God. You will not live in heaven if you choose to live by your own rules.
  9. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    Man Your ignorance is of highest level

    If you got married, could your wife do anything she wanted, or would there be rules? If she broke those rules, would you still allow her to live with you?
    hahahah, man you want to dictate someone ? she is free to do it on what she wants..i wouldn't set any rules rather i would request her to go by her consciousness as consciousness would guide her best...

    I would divorce her, then she can do as she wished. The consequences are hers, whatever they may be...
    Man r u in your brain's ?
    its not rules that keep her with you its her consciousness which keeps her with u..u mean to say u are rule setter of her life ?

    If you choose to live by God's rules, you are a son or a daughter of God. You will not live in heaven if you choose to live by your own rules.
    Man god should be like a mother who no matter what will always love u...u need re-councilling

    IMPORTANT : Extremely important please go through this forum may be your ignorance might fade off thou chances are very rare.
  10. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    What if her conscious decided she would have sex with any man she wanted at anytime, no matter what you thought. Would you be prepared to keep her and all the kids she has, that are not your own? That's an extreme example. Divorces have happened for much less.
  11. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    You need to learn about consciousness first than to understand my answer.
    sex, lure they are physical entities and would not matter by any means to male or female whose consciousness is awakened.
  12. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    You do not understand what it takes to be a member of God's family. I've tried to make you understand through an example you could understand. I've described physical fornication. What you are promoting is spiritual fornication. God does not want another in his place. When you put another God in front of him, you are committing spiritual fornication, then you must be divorced, and you will be.
  13. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    Lol ..I don't understand as if god whispered in your ears :p
    Arre just read about jesus he himself needed sanatana dharma to learn about god..forget yourself..
    Ok let me ask u simple question will Christianity survive if bible is eliminated or Jesus is eliminated ?
    if not then there is some problem in it..coz godly ideologies and path can survive even if everything about him gets destroyed..
    Learn from sanatana dharma, it can survive even if there is nothing in this world coz it just needs self nothing else to propagate...
    why do Jesus followers and Christians have to sell their religion around the world ?
  14. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    These are your last questions to me. The Word of God can never be eliminated. Jesus can never be eliminated.

    The reason Christians want to teach others about God is so heaven will be filled. If there were no Christians to teach the world about Jesus, heaven would be a smaller place. Even if one person learns in this Earth age about Christ, then the world will have one less and heaven will have one more. If you ask me, it is still worth the effort....
  15. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    hahaha, man get a life with your jesus..we don't believe in illusive has to be practical try spirituality believe me you will find yourself to be jesus..learn advaita (non-duality ) theory by Adi shankracharya and know About who am i and then you will learn reality and if you don't get satisfied , you can always roll back to christianity. :)
  16. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    I don't know you, but I will see you one day. It will be a day of great sadness for you.
  17. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    mate i have passed that day need to understand the facts else you will be born again and again based on your karmic lust. jagat mithya (world is illusion) self is reality.
  18. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    East is east and west is west. Dharmic is dharmic, and Abrahamic is Abrahamic, and ne'er the two shall meet. Discussion is a waste of time. Any sane person wouldn't even bother to read such drivel, let alone give it their attention but for a moment. There is dharma to do.
  19. Speechless world

    Speechless world New Member

    humans are one soul is one , world is big need to go through advaita theory n u will feel the change..would is coming to east...even u know this :)
    find a guru, and believe me if you find a right guru , you will become jesus and that 110% guaranteed
  20. michae1

    michae1 New Member

    I guess we can go our separate ways. Thank you for the discussion...

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