The last moments of death, belief and voices.

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  1. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    We have all heard of schizophrenia. Most of them suffer badly because of the voices. For those that belief in One God they are constantly being harassed by them. They do use religion again them. The most difficult topics arise. For those that Believe in One God, they torture the person with belief that they are God, that there is more than one God, that they are the devil and that they evil. Some of them evens get images of Idols in their heads.

    When a Poltheist dies the same thing will happen. They will come at them and the voices will proclaim themselves as Gods. Images will appear of Idols in their head. If you believed in Gods and Idols like polytheist do then one will fall easily for this trick of demons.

    For those that believe in One God we will be seeking protection from God against these things because we know that God is ONE and he will protect us because we believed in Him.

    This is a warning to Polytheist. If you don’t believe in ONE God then things will be difficult for you when you die.

    To believe in ONE God is the easiest thing one can do. While there’s life, there’s hope.

    Please take this warning and please don’t let demons make a fool out of you.
  2. love

    love New Member Staff Member

    Thank You Nero Hector for your Warning.
    One thing that I want to make it clear to you that we are not polytheist,
    Hindus belive in one God, the One and Only One, none is same as Him. It is your illusion that you see Hindus as Polytheists.

    Lets examine what Bhagwat Gita say about it:

    Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Nine verse 4:

    "Sri Krishna said: By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

    Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Nine verse 6:

    "Sri Krishna said: Understand that as the mighty wind, blowing everywhere, rests always in the sky, all created beings rest in Me."

    Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Nine verse 8:

    "Sri Krishna said: The whole cosmic order is under Me. Under My will it is automatically manifested again and again, and under My will it is annihilated at the end."

    Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 17:

    "Sri Krishna said: Know that to be imperishable & indestructible, by which all this is pervaded; for none can bring about the destruction of this indestructible substance, the imperishable soul."

    Now everything which is present in whole universe this planet or that planet is manifestation of Brahman i.e Brahman present in everything everywhere, Brahman can be with form or without form.

    The Rig Veda says that by desire (RV 10.12.94), the initial manifestation of the material universe came into being from Hiranyagarbha (literally "golden womb"), out of which the world, organisms and divine beings (devas) arose:

    "Great indeed are the devas who have sprung out of Brahman." — Atharva Veda.

    Saguna Brahman with infinite attributes and is the source of the impersonal Nirguna Brahman, and Brahman's energy is regarded as Devi or shakti.

    Brahman is neither limited to abstract or concrete concepts. But it is easier to establish a conscious relationship with the Providence in terms of benevolent fatherhood or an affectionate, kindly motherhood ....than by the concept of an unfathomable void.
    Brahman is devoid of qualities, in reality, ......but a relative superimposition of the positive ideals of goodness and virtue is essential for self-culture and spiritual progress of the aspirant.

    let me quote from Annamaacharya, the great Vaak-geya-kaaraka of Aandhra Pradesh, in one of his divya sankeertana “Enta maatramuna evvaru talichina ….” says:

    How much ever one imagines that much only are You:

    For Vaishnavas You are Vishnu
    For Vedaantas You are Parabrahma
    For Shaivas and other bhaktas You are Shiva
    For Kaapaalikas You are Kaala-Bhairava
    For Shaakteyaas You are Shakti
    For people with alpa-buddhi You appear as alpam
    For people who know Your Garima and have Ghana-buddhi You are a Ghana
    For people who are Sharanaagati You are Venkateshvara.

    Rig Veda 1.164.46 tells the same truth:

    ‘They (the men of wisdom) call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is the heavenly, noble-winged Garutman. The God is one, but sages call it by many names; they call it Agni, Yama, Matarishvan (and so on).

    Now Coming to your concept of Demon or Shaitan or Satan:
    The Devil is believed in Abrahamic religions, myths and cultures to be a supernatural entity that is the enemy of God and humankind.
    But this concept is vague. there is no one beyond God. So there is no Devil kind of thing. Now why I am saying look on below points::

    -->> If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not., If There is evil in the world., Then, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.

    -->>The Great logical contradiction::

    -God exists.
    -God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
    -A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
    -An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
    -An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can -come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
    -A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
    -If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
    Evil exists (logical contradiction).

    -->> Apocalyptic parts of the Bible, including the New Testament, see suffering as due to cosmic evil forces, that God for mysterious reasons has given power over the world, but which will soon be defeated and things will be set right.

    -->>Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?

    -->> Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?

    -->> once a perfect angel, Satan developed feelings of self-importance and craved worship, and eventually challenged God's right to rule. Satan caused Adam and Eve to disobey God, and humanity subsequently became participants in a challenge involving the competing claims of Jehovah and Satan to universal sovereignty. Other angels who sided with Satan became demons. Look likes God and Satan making an army against each other.

    Theory is simple there should be only one super power in Universe which is God, so if God exits there should be no Devil or Shaitan or Iblis.

    Even when Abrahamic religions personified evil as Devil or Shaitan or Iblis.

    Soul present in individual bodies escaped at the time of death & after rebirth might have entered into other form/body. So from this becomes very clear that religion is of this body which is not permanent & this body shall completely disappear in time one day or the other. If you are dead, everything is dead for you, whether it's your relations, money, house, religion & whatever is related with your human body. So is the case of one's religion & it perishes in time with the human body.

    So from this it becomes very clear that religion is related to this body, which disappears in time & not of the Soul which is permanent & remains even after death. So if you believe yourself to be a body which has a particular religion, then that body & religion related to that body of yours shall die with the death of that body but if you think yourself to be a SOUL then you shall live beyond this body. But remember, you cannot subscribe any religion to the Soul.

    The above mortality of human body & immortality of Soul is beautifully described all through Bhagwat Gita & here below are few verses related to that:

    "Sri Krishna says: Just as boyhood, youth & old age are attributed to the soul & the embodied soul continuously passes through these cycles, similarly the embodied soul passes into another body at death. The wise man does not get deluded & bewildered with such a change." (Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 13)

    "Sri Krishna says: The unreal has no existence, and the real never ceases to be; the reality of both has thus been perceived by the seers of the truth." (Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 16)

    "Sri Krishna said: All these bodies pertaining to the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity / soul are spoken of as perishable; therefore, fight, Arjuna."(Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 18)

    "Sri Krishna said: The soul is never born nor dies at any time. Soul has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. Soul is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. Soul is not slain when the body is slain." (Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 20)

    "Sri Krishna said: As a human being puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (Bhagwat Gita: Chapter Two verse 22)

    If still any question remains you can ask here but please Do not fear God, Love Him, he is not your enemy to fear to He is Your friend .... Shiva Bless.
  3. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    Thanks for teaching me something today. It makes me very happy that there are Hindus that believe in One God. I will pray for you guys and I wish you the best. That's the only sin that stops one from entering Heaven. So you have made me very happy today.

    Whether you believe it or not Heaven does exist. I wish this for anyone that believes in One God.

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  4. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    There is no consensus in Hinduism. We're a vast lot. Some are monotheist, some are polytheist, some are henothist, some are atheist, etc. To try to claim all Hindus believe the same way is a narrow view of our vast religion. Still, it is natural, as Hindus often don't get around much. So they just naturally assume that their particulkar version of Hinduism is the way all Hindus practice it. Then it often comes as quite the surprise to find out how different another sect might be.

    As for heaven and hell, that is a Christian belief, and we simply don't accept it. I personally don't buy into this 'I'm right and you're wrong' way of thinking, but prefer to just accept that people have differing points of view, and that's fine. Hindus, with a few rare exceptions, don't proselytize.
  5. Aum

    Aum New Member

    Mate hinduism is not a religion to be contained in form and formless god...
    so simple logics for you mate
    if there is only one god than it cannot be god since it has limitations..
    If there is a god he has to have forms that can be described and is beyond descriptions as well..when u say one god that sounds like a monopoly of someone in one field ..hence i would not support ur words by any means..
    Rest you can come for more discussion points...I am all about normal thinking with logics...

  6. love

    love New Member Staff Member

    Dear Nero Nector, this may not be easy for you to understand. Coz like many other Christians, you also believe in Satan and any other faith except Christianity is due to evil work of Satan, so that human can deviate from Worship of God and ultimately go to hell. And Christians proudly say that they are monotheist that is believe in One God.
    But Actually you are worshiping three different deities Jesus, God and Holy Ghost I.e holy Trinity.
    Jesus is not God, he is regarded as son of God.
    Jesus is not Holy Ghost.
    Holy Ghost is not God.
    But But what Hindus believe is there are many paths of same truth.
    Many deities lead to same Brahman.
    Many deities are expansion of same Brahman.
    all are one and one is all.

    Shiva Bless...
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  7. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    Actually I am a Muslim. you guys don't have a Muslim thread so I decided to drop in here. You can't say that about Muslims. I know we got a lot of problems ourselves but at least we got our Declaration right.

    Which is
    There is none worthy of worship but Allah.

    I also did'nt want to scare anyone away because I don't think anyone would ever take me seriously if I told them that I have schizophrenia. It’s hard everyday coping but what I said earlier about them terrorizing believers who believe in one God is true. So the warning I gave you guys is true.

    You say there is’nt Heaven and Hell and that evil would’nt exist if God was’nt Good. Look at the world. It happens everyday. Life is a test. You get good marks, you go to Heaven, you get bad marks you go to Hell and the only way to Hell is you don’t believe in Him.

    Another warning to you guys is that you in a religion that is very close to polytheism. When you about to die, when you at your weakest the demons will come for you with everything they got on you. They know everything about you, every sin. They’ll use that to cause despair in God’s mercy and then they’ll put images in your mind of idols and tell you that they Gods. If you don’t have a strong faith in one God, it’s going to be difficult. I just hope God protects the guys in your religion that believe in One God, I know He will Godwilling.
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  8. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    If you like the names of God. Then here's something from the Quran that I think you'll like. Thanks for teaching more names of God. I guess it's all in your intention.

    Rig Veda 1.164.46 tells the same truth:

    ‘They (the men of wisdom) call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is the heavenly, noble-winged Garutman. The God is one, but sages call it by many names; they call it Agni, Yama, Matarishvan (and so on).

    What is the meaning of?


    Surah Hasr
    Allah is He than whom there is no other god Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He Most Gracious (Ar-Raheem) Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman).

    Allah is He other than whom there is no other god, the sovereign (Al-Malik), the Holy One(Al-Qudoos), the Source of Peace (As-Salaam), The Guardian of Faith (Al-Muqmeen), the Preserver of Safety (Al-Muhaymeen), the Exalted in Might (Al-Aziz), the Irresistible (al-Jabaar), the Supreme (al-Muttakabir): Glory to Allah! (high is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

    He is Allah, the Creator (Al-Khaliq), the Evolver(Al-Baree'), the Bestower of Forms (Al-Musauwwir). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the exalted in Might (Al-Aziz) the Wise (Al-Hakeem).

    Here's a link to all of God's 99 names.
  9. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    Most of the Gods and Goddesses in Hinduism have both 108 names in a list, and also 1008 names in a list. So God has many more names than 99, according to Hinduism.

    Like this ...

    Of course, Sir, you have the right to your belief. I and most Hindus won't try to talk you out of it. But that's all it is ... your belief. It's not ours.
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  10. SpiritualFan

    SpiritualFan New Member

    Demons...come on, this is not a cristian way of thinking! In my opinion there is satan but thinking about voices of demons is nothing for a serious christian in the 21. century. What do you guys think about that? And saying that polytheistic religions will make it difficult for you after you die is also not the right way, even though I also think that it's much better to have one god like we christians got.
  11. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    The thing about believing in Hinduism but still believing in One God is good but you guys still seem to think it's ok if the other people in your religion believe in many Gods. When you die the voices will use this against you. You weak and can hardly think, what do you think is going to happen?

    With Muslims, before we die we say, " Lah illah ha illallah, there is none worthy of worship but Allah" Another technique is to extend ones index finger on the right hand to submit that God is one. This happens very offend in cases where the Muslim is disabled or can't talk. Extending the Index finger is also used in our prayers to declare that God is one.

    Your faith that God is one must be strong. You can't be in two minds about it.

    I hope I have helped you in some way Godwilling.
  12. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    Isn't it better to get your own beliefs and actions in order than to dwell on what other people are doing or believe?
  13. Nero hector

    Nero hector New Member

    We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)." (Quran 10:90)

    (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! (Quran:10:91)
    So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless(Quran:10:92)

    This is a good story in the Quran. Don't be like Pharoah. You have time on your side. Make the change as soon as possible. No one knows when one will pass away.

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