U.S May Become A Hindu Nation By 2100 Ad

Discussion in 'American Forum' started by Ignorant, May 3, 2015.

  1. Ignorant

    Ignorant New Member

    The agenda for this century has been set up in the very beginning itself by the BIN LADEN. There is no doubt that this century is going to witness the biggest tussle between the Religion (shell) and the Spiritualism (Core). Many religions will be exposed in this process and shall be proved a Shell only with dried core. Islam has least spiritualism, therefore it will be the first casualty and the process is already on. Many liberal Muslims and Pseudo-Secularists are concerned of this inevitability and trying hard to defend ISLAM thru various manipulated versions & theories, but it is virtually impossible for anyone insert a ‘Spiritual Core’ in Islam. Islam is not a philosophy but a doctrine only akin to Communism. It has already outlived more than it was due. Doctrines are doctrines only, therefore have limited lifespan. Islam has many outdated & ill -concepts, some of which are very violent and cruel also. Islam is not fair with FAIR sex also.

    Christianity is already facing a rebellion or revolt from within since last few decades particularly in the US. One can see many new Religious CULTS have sprung up throughout US in last few years. The failure of Christianity has been mainly resulted due to its failure in resolving the problems of women and family. Although Christianity is not intolerant like the Islam is, but in recent years the scandals of the Churches has brought a very bad name to it. Many Americans are now seeking refuse in new Cultic Religions,some of which are inspired by the Buddhism also. But Christianity will have a different fate than Islamsince Jesus will always be honored and recognized by the Hindus as a great person (like an incarnation). Thus Christianity may get submerged into the Hinduism in next 3/ 4 centuries from where Jesus seems to have been inspired also.

    Recent researches on religion’s evolution are indicating that the original pious thought of Love, Compassion & Sacrifice, on which major religions have also been based, has its origin in the philosophy of Hinduism only. Hinduism means Spiritualism and not the Hindu Religion as represented by the amalgamation with peculiar Hindu Caste System of India.

    Hinduism means basic & pure spiritual thought & philosophy only. Natural calamities and wars isolated the populations and thus many religions have also sprung up, which are comprised of both spiritual and cultural elements in varying proportions. In India, Hinduism developed into two distinct system or religions, one was the Hindu caste system (or religion), while the other was the casteless Buddhism. In both these religious systems, the basic concept of Hinduism i.e. Spirituality were retained to the maximum in comparison to other religions. Islam has minimum spiritual element as per the T-S scale,while the Hinduism has maximum element of Spiritualism on this scale. Christianity lies in between Terrorism (T) & Spiritualism (S).

    All this happened due to isolation of population. Now the age of integration of spiritual thought has arrived courtesy internet/cable. After passage of some more time one will see more influence of Spiritualism (Hinduism) on all the religions including the Hindu caste 60 system (religion). The Religion of most of the Hindus in India presently is the Hindu Caste System only and not the pure Hinduism i.e. Spiritualism.

    Unfortunately, India never offered opportunities for growth of Hinduism in the last 2000 years since it was/is badly trapped in the anomalies created by the Hindu Caste system. India is facing all kinds of dilemma / contradictions/ problems since the original ‘Varna System’ started degenerating into this present ‘Rigid Caste System’ nearly 2000 years ago.

    Divisive & rigid Caste System also ensured the unparallel humiliation of the Hindu Society for nearly one millennium in the hands of Islamists & Evangelists. The version offered by Sangh Parivar is more inspired by the Islamic/ Talibani thoughts than by the real and noble thoughts of Hindu Philosophy.

    Hindu Philosophy is not a property or asset of Hindus/ India alone. Similarly, US will not belong to Christianity always since it is also not a property /asset, but a Nation. Everything is evolving. US has evolved itself more on Hindu philosophy of KARMA and DHARMA, or Justice, Action, Truth and Democracy. US is dynamic and so the Hindu Philosophy.

    Both are complimentary to each other in this hour of maturity and spiritual crisis. Therefore it will not be an expansion of Hinduism but rather a convergence of Hinduism with the great democracy of the world, which will be witnessed by the humanity in this century.

    India denied an opportunity to Hinduism, which shall be provided by the US in coming years so that journey of mankind is not halted for want of spirituality. Spiritualism has to play a key role in not only in the development of humanity but also in the further growth of Basic Sciences, which requires doses of spirituality to understand and resolve the more complex Scientific & Technological concepts of today’s universe.

    In this spiritual revolution, India may not play the key role rather it will be the US only which will take the lead. Of course the Hindu Society of US will provide the required impetus and inspiration for such a movement which shall be very much intensified after 50 years, when US will have a Hindu population of 20% thru migrations and thru self-motivated conversions of persons mainly belonging to Christian faiths at present.

    Everything can't be left to the Religious persons/ Institutions only. Every Indian Hindu can play a big role in the transformation and future destiny of US. If one will look at the exponential growth rate of American Hindus in numbers and resources then it can be easily concluded that a Hindu population of 50% is not an impossible target for year 2100 AD in the USA. Caste system has proved itself an antithesis of Hinduism in India but in US it will not pose any threat. It will be the CASTELESS HINDU SOCIETY of US, which will emerge as a biggest spiritual force and movement of this century ultimately.

    Source: internet
  2. deafAncient

    deafAncient New Member

    Namaste Ignorant...

    I look at your post in thought, as I have been thinking along the same lines. We in America don't have the same history of entrenched issues arising from ancient history dealing with the corruption of varṇa over the centuries along with foreign invasions of Muslims and Christians. Here, we are also not dealing contemporarily with the phenomenon of FOIL (Forum of Inquilabi Leftists), which include Communists, Christians, and Muslims who are set to divide up India and weaken the hold of Dharma in India. It looks like Dharma has extended its heart to the US as a means of safety for Dharma in case FOIL is successful in India. Meanwhile, as you pointed out, there are many Christians who have outgrown their religion and are looking for more. I know many Buddhists and Sanātanis who were once Christians. I myself as an Ancient have approached Sanātana Dharma (SD) via commonalities to adopt it. An Ancient is one who grew up for a substantial portion of early childhood without language, social customs, and religion until I was diagnosed correctly as profoundly deaf at seven and a half years old, resulting in a natural worldview of how things work without language.

    Another element is that right now, SD is a small segment of the American population, limited mainly to those who are visibly Sanātani (non-white with visible clothing or jewelry markings indicating such) and whites who may not dress as such as much as the Non-Resident-Indian Sanātanis do, limiting its visibility to Christians who might feel threatened by the appearance of so many Sanātanis; they could be talking to a Sanātani and not know it (I'm one of them, having left over from my company days traditional "outdoor, outback safari" clothing that might last me 25-30 years, which I won't throw away or let go to waste, as I'm practical and utilitarian in my dress).
  3. darkstar

    darkstar New Member

    Always interesting posts from you, 'Ignorant'!

    The title "U.S May Become A Hindu Nation By 2100 Ad" seems unlikely at first glance, however it is a very exciting idea and very hopeful, and it is more plausible than one might think at first. I too have been thinking along similar lines and have some ideas.

    Although I think the author is wrong about some peripheral things I won't bore people with a detailed critique. My quibbles:

    1. "Spiritualism" is a malapropism - the author's intended meaning is "spirituality".

    2. The US is not a "great democracy", it is an oligarchy with a misleading facade of superficially democratic process. India is much more democratic.

    3. Jesus was not a great man influenced by Hinduism, rather there is no historical basis for the Jesus story. He might happen to be admired by those who don't look into it closely, but this would hardly be a sound basis for anyone to be drawn to Hinduism.

    4. "Islam has least spiritualism, therefore it will be the first casualty" - Worldwide, Islam will fade away after Chrisitianity, not before it, because Islam is more strongly enforced in theocratic countries.

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    Now an improved version of the author's argument. This will repeat some of his/her points in different forms.

    1. Yes, Abrahamic religion is more political than spiritual, Dharmic religion and culture the reverse. Many writers have remarked on this. And Americans are starting to discover it.

    2. According to sociologists (http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/), self-declared Christians were about 90% of Americans at mid-20th century, about 80% in early 2000s and about 70% today. If you plot those numbers on a graph, you can see that curve is falling off a cliff. And the losses to Christianity are gains to categories like "unaffiliated" and "spiritual but not religious". The same is true in Europe; e.g. just today reports show Christians are now a minority in UK (misplaced the link).

    3. The ultimate problem for modern Christians is that the foundations of their religion have washed away. Increasing knowledge and rationality have destroyed naive beliefs in Chrisitan dogmas, and more evolved values have increasingly made the hateful, brutal norms of The Bible an embarrassment for Christians. They have to make ever more feeble excuses for the appalling Biblical characters. And without the historical claims about Jesus and Bible stories, there is nothing left of any value - there is only the history of wars, persecutions, and opposition to all knowledge and social progress.

    4. In the US recent decades there has been a divergence of conservative from liberal Christians. The conservatives have reacted to secularism with insistence on an older, narrower form of Christianity, yet are constantly discredited by sex-abuse scandals, exposure of historic evils, hypocritical preachers who turn out to be perverts, narrow-minded attitudes on social issues, especially in relation to women and family. Liberals, meanwhile support humanistic ideals such as women's rights, anti-racism, and individual freedom, yet they also hope to somehow reconcile their modern values with some form of Christianity. Both the conservatives' and liberals' projects are doomed to failure because of the inherent weakness of what they are working with (see #3).

    5. Abrahamic religion has survived down to the present only because of coercion, violence, deception, ignorance and intimidation. It collapses in any time and place where those factors recede. Where people have relatively uncensored internet, they can perceive how others live and think in other places, and can share experiences and thoughts and desires. This gives them the mental freedom to realize and admit that their spiritual needs are not being met, and access to learn about other alternatives. And where people are also free to abandon (or never adopt) the religion of their parents, without being subject to retalitation or other disabilities, they increasingly or eventually abandon Abrahamic religion and seek something more meaningful.

    6. The author's suggestion that spread of Hinduism has been restrained by caste seems a little misplaced. Clearly caste is still a problem in India where it is much entangled with culture. The author is probably right that caste will not take hold elsewhere, so that when Hinduism is adopted outside India, it is casteless. However, I do not believe this is the primary obstacle. Rather the main obstacles to spread of Hinduism include:

    (a) Caste as a "reputation" problem - that is, people disparage the whole tradition on the basis of its association with caste. This ranges from innocent misunderstanding where people imagine that caste is part of Hindu religion, to others using it as a kind of cudgel to beat up on Hinduism when they are really hostile to Dharmic religion for other reasons.

    (b) Lack of proselytizing on the part of Dharmic religions: Abrahamics seek converts, but Hinduism grows, if at all, only by ethnic spread and attracting self-motivated seekers. In the long run this is actually an advantage, but it presents a barrier to initial discovery.

    (c) Attitudes of Hindus: Do they welcome seekers who are sincere and respectful? Maybe some will share and help people learn, others may regard Hinduism as a property of an ethnic group and dismiss non-Indians as imitators. This becomes a bigger issue over time, because if Hinduism starts growing outside of native-Hindu areas, it will inevitably evolve in new ways. Will this be embraced as part of the variety of Hindu thought and culture, or will there be divisions?

    7. The Hindu population of the US has grown from 0.4% to 0.7% in the early 21st century ("nearly doubled"! said The Hindu newpaper site). (The pollsters did mention that the numbers might be understated because some declared 'Sanantana Dharma' or other category instead of 'Hindu'.) I guess big percentages could be predicted by extrapolating these numbers but it's not enough evidence for strong conclusions. A lot of this is due to NRIs in technical jobs, they somewhat cluster in big urban areas and form communities, which is good but not necessarily a long term trend, and in my experience "techies" tend to be less religious.

    8. The hidden factor that is very positive is that there is a great hunger for spirituality in the Western countries. It is really a longing for Dharma though this is poorly understood in the West at present. Westerners who turn away from the Abrahamism they grew up with, turn first to other alternatives they happen to have some acquaintance with. In many cases they settle on some other Abrahamic variant, but more and more they are looking further. Some join neo-paganism, however it is unsatisfying because while it purports to re-create the pre-Christian religions of Europe, really it is a modern invention and lacks focus or inner strength. The next stop for many is Buddhism, as it is more universal and less tied to a national culture, while containing sound principles.
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  4. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    I think this is quite possible too, maybe even inevitable. It probably won't be called Hinduism, but it will be Sanatana Dharma. Look how many people are drawn to it, in some form or another. In the last 7 years alone vegetarianism has jumped from 1% to 5%. The rise in non-dual teachers, the growth of yoga, are just two more examples. Not 'traditional' Hinduism, but still Hinduism.

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