Vedas - Why don't you people follow vedas your highest scriptures ?

Discussion in 'Hindu' started by Muslim_boy, Aug 7, 2015.

  1. Muslim_boy

    Muslim_boy New Member

    Why don't you people follow vedas your highest scriptures.
     
  2. deafAncient

    deafAncient New Member

    It depends on whether you are āstika (believe in the Vedas as the scriptural authority, ātman, and or īśvara) or nāstika (don't believe that). They are different school of philosophy. That is the basic definition.

    There are six āstika schools of philosophy and four nāstika schools of philosophy. This pluralism is intentional because they already learned of what you are doing exactly, enforcing the idea of one thought, one belief, regardless of how varied people think, and learned from the mistakes your culture is making right now. Even Hinduism is far ahead of Christianity, as a lot of knowledge ultimately came from India by way of YOUR ancestors (I'm assuming they are from the Middle East) via the trade routes between India and Western/Central Europe.

    Thanks to the distractions of warfare and military occupation by your ancestors as well as the British colonizers over the past 1,000 years, much of this ability has been lost, but make no mistake, Sanātanis are coming back... There is a resurgence underway, since we have realize what Muslim agitators, aggressive Christian Missionaries, and communists are doing to tear apart India. We know what you are up to. Hindus are stepping up the fight in India.
     
  3. Aum

    Aum New Member

    There many hindu who don't follow veda's Hinduism is not set of rules but set of consciousness that may vary from person to person based on their experiences
     
  4. Muslim_boy

    Muslim_boy New Member

    Most of Hindus do not follow vedas. So all these are nastik? What kind of consciousness define a person is real Hindu or not. It's easy to use word consciousness but please explain what is it?
     
  5. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    Consciousness is simply awareness, keen awareness. So when a person is aware, alert, keen, clear, etc., they make decisions that benefit mankind. Hindus try to live there, in that way of the mind, helpful, intelligent, kind, etc. When consciousness is ruled by fear, lust, anger, jealousy, etc., then we have problems.
     
  6. Muslim_boy

    Muslim_boy New Member

    You just contradicted yourself brother :rolleyes:
    If consciousness is awareness or keen awareness then a person who have it should be aware, then how can it be ruled by fear, lust, anger etc ;)

    Read your scriptures. Do more research.
     
  7. deafAncient

    deafAncient New Member

    In other words, Senthil is saying that a consciousness that is ruled by fear, etc. is functioning at a lower level. Meaning, "I am aware that I am aware, and I have these fears, lust, anger, and I'm trying to figure my life out." It just means that the person has not evolved spiritually to the point of being able to discern, "neti-neti." (it means "not this, not this") This is the process of learning that you are not the world, you are not the body, you are not the mind nor its components, like emotions, knowledge, memory, skills, mannerism, because YOU use the mind to control your body and its interaction with the world through all action organs. When a person learns that what happened 20 years ago, 10 years ago and yesterday are unrelated, unlinked events, that it doesn't mean that you are "doomed to repeat job failures," if you can take a fresh stock of the situation and deal with it without using the past experiences as a guide for your actions. Just deal with it anew. That is part of enlightenment, on the way to it. A person who is enlightened (and there are not many relative to the whole of the population) has mastery over those things. We are still learning to deal with these things as we grow spiritually.

    Let me do something for you here. Religions of all kinds are like rivers. There are some that start on mountains as snow melt, and some that start from underground springs, etc. God is like the ocean. Rivers are like the path of a person's life, or life series, maybe. Some rivers travel through the life of the land (person's life) and end in the liberation of ocean. Many do not. They start out and run out at some point to lack of volume, and many end up in lakes, which have no outlet. So, some people make it to the ocean and become liberated, one with Brahman, and many end up in lakes where their spiritual development has halted, either because they died before they were spiritually ready, they found a place where they were comfortable and didn't want to progress further, or something bad happened in their lives to halt the progress. You are an example of having arrived at a lake, where are you comfortable as a Muslim, where you see no need to go further and stay in the lake.

    Having said that. Some people become more aware and start to think that there has to be another river that goes elsewhere, and they go afoot to find another river. Sometimes, it's close by, and sometimes it's very far away, taking many lifetimes before they find the river to take them further. They may get to the ocean in one go, or it might them several river trips to find the river that connects to the ocean. You could probably try that if you reach the point that you start to realize that there is more to it in life than what you presently know. You will know when you have that inner urgency that "Something is missing, I'm looking for something, I need to find it."
     
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  8. Muslim_boy

    Muslim_boy New Member

    You have come to adaivta. That is one philosophy may be true may be not. I was asking about Vedas. They are considered as truth by you people then why hindus do not follow them.

    We can talk later what you have written in deep ;)
     
  9. deafAncient

    deafAncient New Member

    One thing you need to know is that I'm the wrong person to ask about the Vedas, because I just came to be Hindu. Long story short, I have lived as an Ancient (not as Christian). I am an American, I am deaf, and I am white. I grew up not learning how to speak, read, or write until I was seven and a half years old. I can remember what it was like in those years prior to my diagnosis. I spent decades learning about myself from that foundation, rather than from a Western Christian foundation. You could say that I have some Western influences, but not Christian influences. I learned after over a year of heavy research that my Ancient basis from my childhood is basically a direct connect-upwards into Hinduism, which provides growth from my Ancient foundation without the sense of needing to "convert from one religion to another." There is, however, a process of converting from Western thought to Indic thought, which will be a long process because there is SO MUCH about Indic knowledge.

    You will need to ask others more about this.
     
  10. Muslim_boy

    Muslim_boy New Member

    I am asking on this forum.
     
  11. Senthil

    Senthil Active Member Staff Member

    Hindus accept the authority of the Vedas. Most Hindus don't know them, because they're long and in Sanskrit. As I said before, we a re not a scripture based religion like Islam is.
     
  12. deafAncient

    deafAncient New Member

    What Senthil is saying (I think) is that unlike Abrahamic religions, it's not based on a "canon" of literature frozen in time, for all to follow until the end time. Hinduism is based upon the transmission of embodied, or experienced knowledge from guru to follower down through the generations. This keeps the spiritual experience alive in each generation. No such thing exists within the "official" religions of Abrahamism.
     

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