Was Valmiki a Robber ?

Discussion in 'Hindu Saints' started by garry420, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. garry420

    garry420 Well-Known Member

    What can I say is that we should be proud to have our guru like Valmik, a writer, philosopher ,spiritual leader and in some ways a scientist . He is our form of leonardo de vinci of the middle ages. We admire the craft of the renaissance period in the west and Valmik was BC !!!!! so you can imagine the creativity and respect he must possess , so why would he become a robber instead. Even the western world should be aware of his poetic knowledge. In North India, he also considered a brave fighter of Dravidian family who fought against the Aryans. ANUSHASHANPARVA in Mahabharat, Valmiki was called to Yudhisthara. Valmiki in Mahabharata appeared among the Suparna bird of the Garuda dynasty indicates that they were Kashatriyas by their deeds (worshipper of Vishnu). VISHNU PURAN (ref. 3/3/18) Rishi Traksha Vyasa was also called Valmiki who was the 24th Vyasa. Saint Ravidass Says he came from low caste got immortal position due to Ram Bhakti. Tulsidass says that Valmiki know the efficiency of word Rama who sings reverse letter of Rama became pure. Work of 16th Century describes birth take place with the semen of Rishi Krinu and his marriage with sudra, a female serpent. BHAGAVATAPURANA consider work of 6th –7th Century A.D. states Valmiki, a great ascetic born from ant-hill. In 17th Century Guru Gobind Singh (10th Guru of Sikhs), in his DASAM GRANTHA refer Valmiki as an incarnation of Brahma. DEVI BHAGWAT PURAN (1000-1100 century) (ref. 7/2/3-7) says that Maharishi Chawan was also called Valmiki because of his hard meditation. Body all covered with sand (balu) and inside ants make their home so called valmiki. All these stories, which are woven around the name Valmiki at the requirement of time by Manuvadis.

    What can I say is that we should be proud to have our guru like Valmik, a writer, philosopher ,spiritual leader and in some ways a scientist . He is our form of leonardo de vinci of the middle ages. We admire the craft of the renaissance period in the west and Valmik was BC !!!!! so you can imagine the creativity and respect he must possess , so why would he become a robber instead. Even the western world should be aware of his poetic knowledge. In North India, he also considered a brave fighter of Dravidian family who fought against the Aryans. ANUSHASHANPARVA in Mahabharat, Valmiki was called to Yudhisthara. Valmiki in Mahabharata appeared among the Suparna bird of the Garuda dynasty indicates that they were Kashatriyas by their deeds (worshipper of Vishnu). VISHNU PURAN (ref. 3/3/18) Rishi Traksha Vyasa was also called Valmiki who was the 24th Vyasa. Saint Ravidass Says he came from low caste got immortal position due to Ram Bhakti. Tulsidass says that Valmiki know the efficiency of word Rama who sings reverse letter of Rama became pure. Work of 16th Century describes birth take place with the semen of Rishi Krinu and his marriage with sudra, a female serpent. BHAGAVATAPURANA consider work of 6th –7th Century A.D. states Valmiki, a great ascetic born from ant-hill. In 17th Century Guru Gobind Singh (10th Guru of Sikhs), in his DASAM GRANTHA refer Valmiki as an incarnation of Brahma. DEVI BHAGWAT PURAN (1000-1100 century) (ref. 7/2/3-7) says that Maharishi Chawan was also called Valmiki because of his hard meditation. Body all covered with sand (balu) and inside ants make their home so called valmiki. All these stories, which are woven around the name Valmiki at the requirement of time by Manuvadis.
    Lot many other evidence about Bhagwan Valmiki as Robber were found in Vashnavkhand, Avantyakhand, Prabhaskhand & Nagarkhand. But the stories do not co-relates each other and thus proves them baseless.

    All of us encluding all the Scholars even the brahmins admit that Bhagwan Valmiki was born in Satyug. In Satyuga the people never tell a lie and always speaks the truth and there was no voilence or crime & people obey to the lawa. There was only peace & everyone keep faith in other. No one hide its things due to fear of theft. Bharat (Jambu Dweep) was known as paradise as it has abundance of resourses. All trees were full of fruits and no person sleeps due to hunger. That is why it was known as Satyuga.

    If there is everything in abundance then how a person can become a theif or robber? The evil things arise due to hunger stomach and where there shortage of resourses and where one group of the society is too much rich and other too much poor. But Scholar named that period 'Satyuga' only due to its clealiness, equality, justice, peace, abundance of resources, faith in each other, no crime, truth, no place for lie, worthiness etc. These baseless stories are the growth of sick minds of Manuvaadis and Brahmanism woven around Bhagwan Valmiki.

    Now the question will arise then why brahmins made these false & baseless stories? This was a political conspiracy.

    Bhagwan Valmiki gave to the Dravidians (or Bheels, native peoples of Bharat - India) divine and best knowledge to rise. He gave nectar to the dying army of Rama who came alive, Re-alive Kusha when died during fight with the army of Rama. He has a heart full of mercy for the poor peoples even for the birds. This is known that in his ashram lion and deer drink in the same river together without any fear. He has too much for the community. He had three lac disciples in Satyuga and in Treta yug they increased to four lac. And from ancient time he was worshipped as God. In seventh century's evidences are found in the manuscripts that in Hind-China in Champa state Valmiki Mandir was found where his statue was installed.

    He felt remose when a hunter shot an arrow and killed one of the crane couple. Heart full of love and even mercy for a bird how could me such a great person a dacoit or robber can kill anyone.

    According to Pandit Krishna Dev Prasad Gaud, Rishi Valmiki was not a common man but a great scholar and scientist so he couldnot be a robber or dacoit.

    Dr. S.N. Vyasa, MAPHD can't admit Bhagwan Valmiki to be a robber. He in his work "India in the Ramayan Age" (Page 4 & 5) wrote,

    "The Mahabharat too hints at Valmiki being originally robber but the authenticity of this material on the life of Valmiki is not beyond question"

    "The story of the conversion of a robber is intended more to underline the chastening influence of the name Rama"

    "The fanciful derivation of the name Valmiki from Valmek or Anthill stresses the rigid austerity observed by the sage"


    Ram took birth in Treta yuga and Bhagwan Valmiki came in Satyuga, thousands of years before him. During Satyuga no one knows about Rama as he took birth thousands of years afterwards. No one worshipped Rama that time as they were not known to Rama. Then how could Bhagwan Valmiki worshipped him chanting the reverse word 'RAMA RAMA' to 'MARA MARA'. To make name of Ram popular publicly these type of baseless stories are woven around Bhagwan Valmiki which he had nothing to do with.

    Dr. Purshottam Lal Bhargava in his work 'Ramayan Aank' (Page 12) writes,

    "Maharishi Valmiki had not mentioned anywhere in his written Ramayana about Ram-Ram"

    It is worthy to note that while other Ramayana treat Rama more as an Avatara of Vishnu, Valmiki's Ramayana emphasizes mainly the human side of his personality.


    Colonel James Tod in his work 'The History of Rajasthan' (Page 25) writes,

    "It is very curious circumstances that Hindu legend gives to two of their most celebrated authors whom they have invested with a scared characters a descent from aborignal and impure tribes of India. Vyasa from a fisherman and Valmiki, the author of other grand epic 'The Ramayana', from a Budhek or - robber an associate of the bheel tribe at Aboo".

    "The conversion of Valmiki said to have been miraculous when in th act of robbing the shrine of diety is worshipped into a story of considerable effect in the wors of chand from olden authority - this story is unbelievable."

    "The reputed authors of the epics Vyasa & Valmiki were blackened in the Budhistic age by making one of the offspring of guilty intercourse and other a robber. But the mischief failed to efface the grandeur of their noble characters, which has already got firm hold on the minds of the people. They looked upon them as Gods or Demigods and no vilification or calumny could detract from their noble characters or dislodges them from the position of esteem and reference in which they were enshrined. The Indian epics were degraded by the Budhists with a motive during the period of Budhistic ascendency"

    Other references in favour of Bhagwan Valmiki not being a robber were found in :

    Valmiki Ramayana, Yogavasistha, Mahabharat, Matasyapuran, Harivansh Puran, Brahmpuran, Bhagwat Puran, Kurm Puran, Akshar Lakshya, Shri Ram Samvaad, Raghuvansh, Uttar Ramcharit, Budhcharit & Kundanmala.

    Whereas in favor of Bhagwan Valmiki being a robber were found in Skandpuran, Avantyakhand, Prabhaskhand & Nagarkhand -robber but the stories do not corelate each other.

    In the seventh book of the epic, Vālmīki is spoken of as a friend of King Daśaratha. Rāma's brother Lakṣmaṇa leaves the pregnant Sītā (Rāma's wife) in Vālmīki 's hermitage. Finally, it is Vālmīki who shelters Sītā, raises her two sons, and plays the role of reconciler between Rāma and Sītā by testifying publicly to Sītā's purity. In this context, Vālmīki describes himself as a son of Pracetas, which makes him a member of the family of Bhṛgus, an influential lineage of brahmans in ancient India.
     
  2. garry420

    garry420 Well-Known Member

    A folk legend records that the sage was born out of an "anthill" (Sanskrit, valmīka) and therefore was called Vālmīki. This story appears with minor variations in the Skāndapūrāṇa and also in the Adhyātma Rāmāyaṇa and Ānanda Rāmāyaṇa. Many popular bhakti Rāmāyaṇas, including the Krittivāsa Rāmāyaṇa of Bengal, adopt this story.

    Thus, there are two kinds of biographies for Vālmīki. One type describes Vālmīki as a sage-poet born of a high-caste brahman family and endowed with supreme wisdom and the divine sensibilities that made him the creator of poetry, while the other type describes him as a sinner transformed into a saint. The first type of biography is in conformity with the status of the Rāmāyaṇa as the great epic that it is in the Brahmanic tradition. The second type of biography relates to the status of the Rāmāyaṇa as a bhakti poem that transforms its readers from sinners into devotees of the god Rāma. The two types of biographies thus reflect the two major orientations and interpretations of the Rāmāyaṇa in Hindu culture.

    "These are some of the answer of questions I found in the books written by well known Scholars and writers who feel this necessary to erase and wash all the false rumors which is woven around Bhagwan Valmiki" - Virender Singh Gill
     

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